What do u think about alleged patternless "Easterns"?

[Jeff]

I emailed him the day he first posted the ad just because I was curious to know what he was asking for them. When he told me I threw up in my mouth a little bit. For the same price I could get a pair of shinglebacks, westerns, or centralians. Why would anyone choose those over the others, even if they were a pure sub-species!

[Dakota]

I emailed him the day he first posted the ad just because I was curious to know what he was asking for them. When he told me I threw up in my mouth a little bit. For the same price I could get a pair of shinglebacks, westerns, or centralians. Why would anyone chose those over the others, even if they were a pure sub-species!

That is what I'm wondering. If someone had the money to buy all these morphs, wouldn't be more rewarding to just buy and breed a Shingle, or a Western..?

[Richard.C]

Because in this day and age,people go gaga over morphs,they dont care so much if its a hybrid,or a certain species,just that its a morph

Yhe high price is because dim wits keep buying them,lol

[Spindown]

Amen Ray!

Just because somebody knows one species fairly well sure doesnt mean they have that level of knowledge for any thing else. There are a lot of things to know if you are going to be a good breeder, hence why many people specialize.

[mark_w]

He's just a confident B.S. artist, that hopes he can find a sucker with "a lot of money" that believes these are what (he says) they are .
When we all have seen and know the history behind this line ( IJ X Northern ) they have been around for 9 years now , the longer they are crossed to each other "and or" another species the less they will be recognizable anymore as ( IJ X Northern ).
Someone new to skinks, with cash to burn , will end up being his unsuspecting prey, and get suckered out of a lot of money for a line of B.S.

Christ I hope I don't ever make a mistake around here.

Mark.

[Ophidiophile]

Christ I hope I don't ever make a mistake around here.

Continuing to misrepresent them as scincoides scincoides after being told what they are is a "mistake"? I think I must be missing your point - please elaborate.

[BlueTonguesOfSA]

Christ I hope I don't ever make a mistake around here.

Continuing to misrepresent them as scincoides scincoides after being told what they are is a "mistake"? I think I must be missing your point - please elaborate.

Mark getting called out for exactly what he was worried about doing in the very next post. Classic.

[mark_w]

What I mean David is that surely it is possible that Sean bought these animals, and is now selling them on, in good faith?

[mark_w]

Christ I hope I don't ever make a mistake around here.

Continuing to misrepresent them as scincoides scincoides after being told what they are is a "mistake"? I think I must be missing your point - please elaborate.

Mark getting called out for exactly what he was worried about doing in the very next post. Classic.

You've lost me there? What's classic?

[Dakota]

Christ I hope I don't ever make a mistake around here.

Mark.

Hehe.

[BlueTonguesOfSA]

Lame attempt at humor, i suppose.

Considering misrepresentation of a subspecies a "mistake" was perceived as a mistake, immediately after you posted that you hoped not to make one.

[Ophidiophile]

What I mean David is that surely it is possible that Sean bought these animals, and is now selling them on, in good faith?

Yes that is possible. But if he got screwed in a prior deal (i.e., he bought misrepresented animals) that doesn't justify him continuing to misrepresent them.
I notified him via email on Feb 2 after he sent me photos that his animals were identical to the IJ x Northern crosses and that's what they likely were.
I'd be shocked if I'm the only person who inquired when the ad was posted without photos and reached that conclusion.
To give him credit for dealing "in good faith" you'd have to believe that some 10 days later he still truly believes they are pure Easterns.

[Jeff]

You have to realize that it is very possible that he truly does believe that they are pure T.s.s. He may simply feel that you are wrong. I assume he doesn't know you, so why would he believe you? I wouldn't automatically assume that something said about my skinks by a stranger that I had never heard of before was accurate. That's why it's so dangerous to misrepresent an animal even one time. From that point on, there will be people (especially those with a financial interest) that believe the incorrect ID no matter what else is said.

I didn't ask for pictures because I already knew what they were from the description.

[Ophidiophile]

You have to realize that it is very possible that he truly does believe that they are pure T.s.s. He may simply feel that you are wrong. I assume he doesn't know you, so why would he believe you?

Good points Jeff. I AM definitely assuming that he's heard the assessment of his animals from multiple sources at this point, but maybe I'm the only *No Abbreviating Offensive Language*. that contacted him.

[Dakota]

Hence why I mentioned to Ray to PM him.....

[mark_w]

You have to realize that it is very possible that he truly does believe that they are pure T.s.s. He may simply feel that you are wrong. I assume he doesn't know you, so why would he believe you? I wouldn't automatically assume that something said about my skinks by a stranger that I had never heard of before was accurate. That's why it's so dangerous to misrepresent an animal even one time. From that point on, there will be people (especially those with a financial interest) that believe the incorrect ID no matter what else is said.

There speaks the voice of reason

[Ophidiophile]

I do want to say that I did not start this thread to dump on Sean. I wanted confirmation of my strong belief that they were in fact the IJ x Northern crosses.
That said, with confirmation I suppose it was predictable that the thread would go negative very quickly. Sorry about that - I dislike "drama" probably more than most.

[mark_w]

I do want to say that I did not start this thread to dump on Sean. I wanted confirmation of my strong belief that they were in fact the IJ x Northern crosses.
That said, with confirmation I suppose it was predictable that the thread would go negative very quickly. Sorry about that - I dislike "drama" probably more than most.

Well said David!

[Alexander]

Can somebody from Australia please let us know if there is such a morph available in Australia?

[SeanUK]

I sincerely wish people would ask my permission before they go ahead and post my pics. The animals in question were sold originally as scincoides scincoides, They are not from Denmark as some people seem to think. They also have faint eye bands on them. I have many rare tiliqua and i have pure scincoides with eye bands NSW local as well as other morphs, species and locals. I have seen tiliqua morphs in Hamm or being sold over the years as scincoides scincoides, then i have seen tiliqua morphs identical being labelled as intermedia from the most knowledgable breeders in Europe without mentioning names. Surely these people must know or maybe they dont? I personally know very well most of these breeders as they have purchased animals from me or visa versa. Back to my original point please ask my permission in future before posting my pics as i find this very rude. This is why i dont post on forums anymore!


Thanks to Mark W and monitorlizards