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[Bird_Brain]

Placing a reptile in water (typically warm) will practically make any reptile relieve themselves. That is not potty training, IMO. Potty training is teaching an animal where they can go to the bathroom and only allowed to go there. Humans are potty trained, but as with dogs and cats, it's physically impossible for them to maintain control of bowel movements when young. With time, the behavior to go in a certain area can be developed and often is with dogs, cats, humans, etc, but again, never have I been seen this in reptiles.

Others have mentioned different species that tend to go in one spot of their enclosure, however I don't see that as potty training. That is typically normal animal behavior. Dogs will not go to the bathroom in an appropriately size crate because they don't want to sleep where they potty. Ants make separate chambers in their network of tunnels for waste.

I guess we have different definition of potty training, however putting a reptile in water to soak and being amazed it went to the bathroom is not potty training. I agree that a feeding routine is necessary for potty training. However with a potty trained animal, you should be able to alter the routine and the animal should be able to control their bowels and "hold it" until allowed to relieve themselves. I have yet to see this with a reptile and urge you to prove me wrong. I'm pretty confident that it is impossible for them to be able to since they are exothermic, but again, would love to be proven wrong.

[Lea]

The reptile brain has been shown to run more on act/react, there is no moral judgement or sense of good and bad, as there is with the mammalian brain. Where a mammal may understand that you telling it off is a sign they shouldn't do what ever they did or bad things will happen, reptiles are quite different and these learned behaviours are few and far between.

You asked for honest advice. You have it. You were honest in saying a bts may not be for you and yes, credit to you. Many are in denial.

But please don't discredit honest and frank advice from those who have years of experience with blue tongues. El lobo, reptileking and myself have been keeping blue tongues and other reptiles for many years and have a wealth of knowledge. To call reptileking ignorant is quite rude and disrespectful. It is good to discuss these issues, without getting worked up about it.

[Bird_Brain]

I find this entire comment extremely Ignorant.
1: Just because you have yet to have seen a truely potty trained reptile, doesn't mean that there aren't any.
2: Just because you have yet to have seen a reptile hold it and refuse to go to the bathroom until it is placed in it's potty spot, doesn't mean that it doesn't happen everyday.
3: Just because you assume I don't own a reptlie, doesn't mean I don't have one. (Please view 1st post for photo)
4:I have a dog. This is a true insult as every animal has different qualities. A BTS is not for me. I stated that honestly giving full credit to the animal. That doesn't mean that there isn't another reptile that works for my family.

This is not constructive criticism. I have received constructive criticism from many of the members here and I appreciate it.

All and all this is a good site filled with great information. BTS's really are a lovely lizard. I'll "lurk" about and continue to learn about them.

Again, I'd love to be proven wrong, but just don't see that happening. The potty spot is warm water! You can always expect a reptile to poop in a water bath! Just because you do it everyday doesn't mean it is potty trained! I never assumed you didn't have a reptile. Not sure where you got that assumption of me. I'm glad you can tell if an animal is right for your family or not. What's ridiculous is your reasoning that a bts is not right for your family.

This water training as you call it, will be practically successful with an reptile species. I don't see it as a "potty trained" animal, though.

[bluewho]

Potty training is teaching an animal where they can go to the bathroom and only allowed to go there. Humans are potty trained, but as with dogs and cats, it's physically impossible for them to maintain control of bowel movements when young. With time, the behavior to go in a certain area can be developed and often is with dogs, cats, humans, etc, but again, never have I been seen this in reptiles.

We laugh alot about how they'll mess in the viv (before trained) then run away from it in what looks like disgust. You need a feeding schedule ofcourse, as well as placing them in a bath, but many will actually and honestly paw at the viv to come out and mess.

They ask to come out and potty. The same as a dog or cat. It is common and widely accepted amoung BD owners.

Others have mentioned different species that tend to go in one spot of their enclosure, however I don't see that as potty training.

Agreed.

However with a potty trained animal, you should be able to alter the routine and the animal should be able to control their bowels and "hold it" until allowed to relieve themselves. I have yet to see this with a reptile and urge you to prove me wrong. I'm pretty confident that it is impossible for them to be able to since they are exothermic, but again, would love to be proven wrong.

I agree with your definition. You can alter their routine by hours. Same as a dog, cat, person, and so one. I use the washroom on my first break at work everyday. It's what my body is use to, no matter how much coffee I do or do not have. My dog will hold it for a few hours if I'm late coming home but anything past that and there would be an oopsy. You can change the routine but there is a limit just like every other creature.

I have already invited you to bearded dragon.org. I have provided my user name. I have offered to help you find non-bias information. You urge me to prove you wrong, I urge you to prove yourself right.

But please don't discredit honest and frank advice from those who have years of experience with blue tongues. El lobo, reptileking and myself have been keeping blue tongues and other reptiles for many years and have a wealth of knowledge. To call reptileking ignorant is quite rude and disrespectful. It is good to discuss these issues, without getting worked up about it.

I never argued about the advice given to me about the BTS. I argued my point on BD's only. I believe you both know the BTS very well and have not said other wise.
I also did not call reptileking ignorant. I said the comment was. And I stand by that.

I never assumed you didn't have a reptile.

I got that, from this:

It sounds like a dog or cat would be a better choice for you than a reptile

If not then the implication is that I am a poor owner. It is offensive either way.

What's ridiculous is your reasoning that a bts is not right for your family.

There are other factors as well. Pro's and con's just like any other creature. It would be ridiculous to base a decision on one factor.

This water training as you call it, will be practically successful with an reptile species. I don't see it as a "potty trained" animal, though.

It is a fine line indeed. Had I not seen Myah 'ask' many times, and had I not found BD.org I would question it myself. As you said they are exothermic. It is seen and discussed often, and still debated in the world of BD's.

*Edit*
Either way, Myah does not mess in her viv.

I see little point in continuing this thread as a BTS forum should be about BTS's. It's only fair to all the other members. I will once again extend my offer to anyone who would like more information on BD's and this "potty topic" Until then, I feel it is best to agree on disagreeing.

Thank you all again for your input,
-Holly

[Lea]

:kw:

I'm sorry we couldn't be more helpful or insightful on the toilet habits of Bearded dragons and training. It's a shame we've all banged heads on this topic. Hopefully you'll find more of what you are looking for with regards to your future reptile keeping and keep up the in depth research for your animals.

[bluewho]

I'm sorry we couldn't be more helpful or insightful on the toilet habits of Bearded dragons and training. It's a shame we've all banged heads on this topic. Hopefully you'll find more of what you are looking for with regards to your future reptile keeping and keep up the in depth research for your animals.

I think you've said it best. We all just "banged heads" No hard feelings. This really is a great site.

[Fatal_S]

It seems that the "ask" you receive is the animal trying to get to it's preferred potty-area. In the same way my gecko would scratch if I blocked his potty area off with glass. You are the means to it getting there. In the same way my skinks "ask" to come explore the room, or "ask" for food. They're trying to get out of the confines we've given them, for whatever reason, and we interpret it as "asking" for something. I'm not sure I would consider it potty training, more like capitalizing on their natural instincts. Seems more like the dragon's trained you.

My dog is the same way though, totally has us trained to let her out whenever she wants. The difference I see is that my dog knows that pottying in the house will get her in trouble, and she HATES to do it; it makes her completely miserable. She will try anything else, in an effort not to mess in the house. Pretty sure if a reptile can't get to it's preferred place, it will simply use another area. It just may not be as instinctually-'happy' about messing a normal living area.

I think it might depend on your definition of potty-trained. Your concept of it seems to be "it regularly goes in the same area at the same time". Brad's seems to be more "it knows areas it's allowed to go and not allowed to go and makes the decision to use the former". I think both are great, they just take different levels of thinking.

Pretty sure a BTS could be routine-trained the same way as the BD. I know some people who take their skink out, put it in the sink, wait till it goes, and then play. The skink's routine is therefor to go in the sink, so it doesn't mess in it's cage or when exploring. But changing the routine (feed the skink banana or egg as a treat for example) and all bets are off. I also know people who do it with hamsters and mice and rats.

All I know is when I get birds in the future, I'm hoping I can train them like kids and dogs - to understand where they should go and shouldn't, and have them consistently make the decision to use the right place without my intervention. I don't want to have to put them back in their cage every 15 minutes or have them poop down my back -.-' Birds poop so much.

Interesting discussion.

[bluewho]

Once again "Fatal_S" you have swooped in and saved my day. I will agree that I have been trained. But I am honest when I say that Myah will "ask" to go to her "preferred potty spot" I will give credit to the idea that Myah may be capitalizing on her natural instincts as well. I do not believe that she knows messing in the viv is not appreciated by me, but I do believe she prefers not too enough to "ask" and I do believe she can "hold it" to some extent as her "pawing" becomes more frantic, the longer I take to retrieve her. Pawing will also result in an instant mess. Me placing her in the bath just because it's "time" means I'll have to wait 15-20mins to get a result.

Pretty sure a BTS could be routine-trained the same way as the BD. I know some people who take their skink out, put it in the sink, wait till it goes, and then play. The skink's routine is therefor to go in the sink, so it doesn't mess in it's cage or when exploring. But changing the routine (feed the skink banana or egg as a treat for example) and all bets are off.

I would be 100% satisfied with an animal who could be "routine-trained" I am extremely dedicated to all my non-person family members.
Do skinks have liquid and solid messes? A healthy BD has one mess, like a bird, but I have heard that a BTS may pee on you if held the wrong way. (Not that I would blame them )

All I know is when I get birds in the future, I'm hoping I can train them like kids and dogs - to understand where they should go and shouldn't, and have them consistently make the decision to use the right place without my intervention.

My grandfather (now passed) had a cockatiel named Zeke. Zeke took to training very well and I remember him going back and forth to his cage to mess. My grandmother was not a fan of any animal and made it quite clear that one, just one, birdy mess anywhere but in his cage would result in one gone birdy. Zeke lived a long happy life with my grandfather. He passed away shortly before my grandfather of natural causes.
Patience and determination seems to conquer all and you seem very patient determined! I'm sure that if anyone can do it, you can.
Thank you for summing up and cleaning up this thread and bringing back to the BTS.
"Routine-trained" eh..?

[El Lobo]

All I know is when I get birds in the future, I'm hoping I can train them like kids and dogs - to understand where they should go and shouldn't, and have them consistently make the decision to use the right place without my intervention. I don't want to have to put them back in their cage every 15 minutes or have them poop down my back -.-' Birds poop so much.

Best of luck with that concept Fatal.

Reptiles and birds are poles apart with their metabolism. Reptiles have a very slow metabolic rate whereas birds have the fastest of all species. This is the determining factor in regards to the frequency of defecating and urinating, even though their commonality is a single outlet...the cloaca. Good luck to anyone who can have any of these species behave to a schedule and only empty their bowel and bladder on command. I would much rather have an animal behave naturally in this regard than feel it can only pass waste when a human gives the go ahead. It is not a bad idea to understand the physiology of the animals kept as pets. Some have the bowel and urinary tract very close so that a build up in say the bowel may not be overly uncomfortable in itself but be putting undue pressure on the urinary tract to cause a painful condition.

[bluewho]

BD's have one outlet (of course) but their waste is is voided as one product. Can BTS's void two separate products at separate times?

Good luck to anyone who can have any of these species behave to a schedule and only empty their bowel and bladder on command. I would much rather have an animal behave naturally in this regard than feel it can only pass waste when a human gives the go ahead

Not sure what you mean here. I have never known a bird or a bearded dragon (can't comment on the skink) to empty their bowel or bladder on command.(I have no idea how you could) There is just strong evidence to support the idea that these animals have a preferred place to mess. Or in the case of the bird. They may be able to understand that they get more "free time" when they mess in one area only. I only know what I've seen in regards to birds and would have no idea where or how to start "training" them. Or have them "train" me for more time out of the enclosure.

I'm curious though. Where in the sand would the line be drawn? Training a mammal to mess where you want them to (not always when you want them to) is seen as positve. Why would it be seen any differently in regards to a reptile or a bird?

This really is a different world to me. My experiance with other forums is "Training good" "Messy (house, viv, cage...) bad"

[El Lobo]

BD's have one outlet (of course) but their waste is is voided as one product. Can BTS's void two separate products at separate times?

Please correct me if I am wrong but I am under the impression beardies pass both faeces and urates. BTS generally will pass both at the same time but there are times when they will pass a urate without faeces.

Good luck to anyone who can have any of these species behave to a schedule and only empty their bowel and bladder on command. I would much rather have an animal behave naturally in this regard than feel it can only pass waste when a human gives the go ahead

Not sure what you mean here. I have never known a bird or a bearded dragon (can't comment on the skink) to empty their bowel or bladder on command.(I have no idea how you could) There is just strong evidence to support the idea that these animals have a preferred place to mess. Or in the case of the bird. They may be able to understand that they get more "free time" when they mess in one area only. I only know what I've seen in regards to birds and would have no idea where or how to start "training" them. Or have them "train" me for more time out of the enclosure.

I cannot comprehend that a bird would get more "free time" if it messed in one area. That is not training in a means they would comprehend, it is more akin to punishment for behaving naturally. My experience has been that if an old towel or something similar is placed near to where the bird likes to sit when out and they are rewarded for using it they will mostly go there. There will be times when they don't but they don't get put back in the cage as punishment for something fundamentally out of their control. When they have to go, they have to go.

Ok then, my next question would be, can you potty train a BTS? It took me a full year, but I've trained my BD to mess in her bath, and her bath only.

We laugh alot about how they'll mess in the viv (before trained) then run away from it in what looks like disgust. You need a feeding schedule ofcourse, as well as placing them in a bath, but many will actually and honestly paw at the viv to come out and mess.

They ask to come out and potty. The same as a dog or cat. It is common and widely accepted amoung BD owners.

Either way, Myah does not mess in her viv.

It seems from all these posts above your beardy does not have access to the toilet bath in her enclosure at all times; in fact she is not to defecate in her enclosure at all. What happens if she gets a stomach bug that causes her to lose control of her bowels when you are not there to take her out to the bath? Does she get reprimanded/punished?

[Fatal_S]

Lobo, I am not trying to routine train a bird. I want to potty train it. In the same way one might train a child. Praise and attention for the desired behaviour. In this case, pooping in a preferred area (cage, toilet-area, old towel, whatever). I know there are birdy diapers, but I would rather the bird look after itself. If it needs to go it flies to the potty area and does it's thing.

Birds are way off in the future for me. Still have years of research first. Don't even know what is/isn't feasible. I just don't like the idea of a bird pooping all over my house. If the bird does that and it can't be changed, it's probably not the right animal for me. I definitely want to be able to let any future birds out for enrichment, not leave them locked up in a cage, but I also don't want them covering everything in poop.

And of course I'm not going to punish an animal for making a mistake. No one mentioned anything about punishing animals. At the most the future bird earns a "bad potty" in a sad voice (which I assume the bird will mimic adorably). I am under the understanding that negative reinforcement to a bird is a sad tone and/or ignoring it. And I would hope no one here is stupid enough to beat up a reptile because it takes an unplanned poop.

[Lea]

Acceptance of natural behaviours seems a fair commitment from the owner. If an owner recognises these behaviours as a fault that needs correcting before they can peacefully live with an animal, maybe the owner needs to reevaluate their desire for such an animal. Such behaviours from an owner that include reprimand or chastise when training, threw my mind to captive wild bears and the unpleasant rigours they endure to make them behave how humans want, performing at their request, but under duress and a fear of what would happen if they don't obey.

A far fetched analogy, maybe, but still ...

Positive reinforcement and reward would allow the animal to make a choice, but as far as most reptiles go, this method would most likely not work

[bluewho]

Please correct me if I am wrong but I am under the impression beardies pass both faeces and urates. BTS generally will pass both at the same time but there are times when they will pass a urate without faeces

Yes. And of course. It is not very often, but it does happen. That still doesn't answer my question though. I'll try to rephrase.
Example: You wake up in the morning and see that your skink has had a solid mess. You take the animal out of the viv (handeling them proper) in order to clean in it. Can the animal produce a liquid mess on you, the furniture, the floor and so on. (Yes. I know it can happen, but is it common?)
I'm asking about an adult animal tht is healthy. I'm looking to see what the norm is.

it is more akin to punishment for behaving naturally.

I don't feel like this needs to be viewed as a punishment. Placing the animal where you want them to mess then providing positive reinforcement is how mammals are trained. There is no need for punishment.

It seems from all these posts above your beardy does not have access to the toilet bath in her enclosure at all times; in fact she is not to defecate in her enclosure at all. What happens if she gets a stomach bug that causes her to lose control of her bowels when you are not there to take her out to the bath? Does she get reprimanded/punished?

Of course she doesn't have a toilette bath in her viv! That could be a fatel mistake! The humidity from water in the enclosure could lead to URI! (Some people may be able to provide this option, depending on where you live) I can not, unless I want one sick little girl!
How do you punish a lizard!? I've never even heard of such an concept! What a horrible thought!
-Myah came to me sick (an extremely high count of coccidia) Her messes were absolutely vile. Mostly water with a smell that could wake the dead! This was when I started ""potty trianing" ""routine training" The viv was cleaned and steralized daily, along with everything else. The idea was to try to get her to mess in the bath to control the coccidia and eliminate it. She has her own tub that is cleaned after every bath.
-The bath is to prevent "stomach bugs" it is accepted as part of their husbandry.
-I think people are getting "hung up" on terms. "Potty training" (how we say it with BD's) and "Routine training" a new term I learned here and give credit to. Both produce a similar result. Positively "train" an animal to a behavior that benifits them as well as the owner.

And I would hope no one here is stupid enough to beat up a reptile because it takes an unplanned poop.

Here or anywhere else!

Positive reinforcement and reward would allow the animal to make a choice, but as far as most reptiles go, this method would most likely not work

I like how you put this. As far as reptiles go, I'm taking the "ask and you shall recieve" and "preferred potty spot" concept back to my forum. I think these idea's will really help others discuss this topic. It's a new perspective that makes alot of sense.

If an owner recognises these behaviours as a fault that needs correcting before they can peacefully live with an animal, maybe the owner needs to reevaluate their desire for such an animal.

There is never any harm in reevaluating anything at anytime. I still don't see why there is a difference between mammals and reptiles/birds, and so on. My dog doesn't mess in the house. (She was trained in a positive manner to mess outside.) An accident, (has only happened once since puppyhood,) is just a bump in the road. You give positive reinforcement to the desired behavior, and then life goes on.

[Linnea]

why all the scaredness about poop? i use wood chips, if he poops i take a doggy bag and pick up the chips. if it has hit the terrarium i go get toxic free soap and warm water, but this happens like five times a year, and i change the chips every three months. diarrhea happens if you give them banana, egg or the like, andthose are optional. for those few occasions diarrhea happens otherwise....they are incredibly few.

to help with your question scenario:

if my bts has a bad stomach and gets it over him, ill clean him carefully in lukewarm water. no way he poops then, if he already let down his tail and has messed up a little of his tank or himself, no more can come out. they let it out in one go and are very serious about it. if the poop regular and they cant get more out even if they try, they surely there is nothing waiting for you. i have yet to see a reptile pooping like a bird, they are as said very serious about it. blueys, geckos, monitors, skinks, beardies....if it runs out by itself id be worried!

the only way to make them actually poop on you is if they have been laying still for a week and not pooped, which happens, and then start moving around outside. just as with humans, motion after sitting still often results in the need of a toilet
in order to avoid this completely, dont take the bts out.
in order to avoid this nearly completely, take your bluey out a few hours after its pooped.

they can pee water on you if you scare them. like if you pick them up and dont support their legs, they get so scared they loose all power in their little bodies and let their legs up in the air and look incredibly scared. i don tthink this counts, humans do it too - and we dont just let out water x.x
it is most likely so that a young bluey will pee frequently while an older wont, if used to humans and humans used to the bluey.
ive only been peed on twice, both times were when i borought my bluey outdoors, and i wont do it again. its horrible seeing them so scared of the world.

my bts poops in warm water, just like any other animal (humans included) this is a remedy against pooping problems as it heats up the body and relaxes the musles. it is commonly done to help with impactions.
if used a lot, im wondering if any harm will be done to the musculature? (in any reptile)
im also wondering how you avoid making th reptile sick from its own feces? once it lands in water, wont it spread all over the reptile? if done every day....
just questions though. i dont know anything about it.

i hope something helped give you a better image of bluey pooping habits :> myself i dont mind. everything in this village reeks of poop thanks to the lovely wheat and flower fields, blueys never smell

[bluewho]

Thank you! Thank you! Thank you! You have provided me with great information Linnea.

why all the scaredness about poop?

LOL! No "scaredness." But I love how you phrased that! The orignial question was "Can you potty train a BTS?" That was it.
The reasons were not for my benifit but for the potential benifit of the BTS. We control parasites by providing a designated potty area. (With other precautionary measures of course)
-So, if a BD has coccidia and coccidia is found in feces, then the idea is to "control" where the mess takes place so as not to have them re-infect themselves. This is extremely effective in the world of BD's.
-I wanted to see if this common everyday practice would translate over to the care of a BTS. Regardless of what you call the practice.

it is commonly done to help with impactions.
if used a lot, im wondering if any harm will be done to the musculature? (in any reptile)

Good question. Hmmm... I can testify to this pracice being a normal part of BD care and I can testify to never hearing about very old BD's having an issue with their musculature as a result of bathing. My vet even recommended I contiue with the baths, but I don't think it would hurt to explore that concern further. And it's hard to say how other reptiles would re-act. Like the BTS. Interesting.

im also wondering how you avoid making th reptile sick from its own feces? once it lands in water, wont it spread all over the reptile? if done every day....

Yes the water as well as anything in the water gets on the animal. After a bath, we rinse them with warm water and dry them gently. It's the lesser of evils.
-Parasites are not the only reason we bath them. BD's absorbe moisture through their vents so the bath helps keep them hydrated. BD's will also not drink from a dish of water. They need to be in water up to their little shoulders. They may choose to drink then.
Some (not all) BD's actually really enjoy the bath and will splash and swim around without any sign of a black beard or stress marks. Myah's tub has low enough sides where she can easily climb out if she feels she's done. This has only happened once. The rest of the time, I have to scoop her out as the water has gotten too cold.

i hope something helped give you a better image of bluey pooping habits

You have and I appreciate it.

[Linnea]

then theres blueys with less charming habits, as described. even among beardies, i think such examples exist mine poops in random places, never on the same spot. in 2 years time, diarrhea has happened 2 times. both times after feeding banana, and thats when i decided id never feed more than a small bite

there must exist blueys that poop when scared too, only ive never handled such an animal, and i dont hear about it often even when hanging around here.

if the bluey lifts its tail, you got appox 3-5 seconds to put something under it. depends, but they never lift their tails otherwise. i forgot to mention that. certain sign.

i dont think the technique can be translated over to bts without a lot of risks involved, because there is one main difference that can be obvious sometimes. blueys can be imported, and with heaploads of life like parasites (as in, not small bacterias).
hookworms and such, i can name them in swedish but ill skip that for your consideration but coccidia is likely a real sweetheart in comparison to some of them.
in small amounts a bluey is perfectly okay, but if the bluey is stressed, like if its put on an airplane from asia to america, they take over.

meaning, a bluey with stomach problems is likely to need meds to kill the parasutes (if problems are obvious). it will reset its bacteria culture, sadly. and probiotics for blueys are still in need of invention. a new placenta from their parent is not likely to appear from thin air. such meds give anyone a bad stomach

meaning, if a bluey suffers from constant stomach issues, either the feeding is wrong or the bluey needs treatment. if its the first the problems will stop fast, if its the latter the treatment is most often to wipe out the parasite load.
a beardie who has been in captivity for many generations has lost most part of the parasitic load and can recieve milder treatment that has been tried a lot with success, if i understand it correctly.

i think its a much better idea to ask other members than me for specifics about parasites and treatment, but what i wrote was at least partly right x.x

[bluewho]

blueys can be imported, and with heaploads of life like parasites (as in, not small bacterias).
hookworms and such, i can name them in swedish but ill skip that for your consideration but coccidia is likely a real sweetheart in comparison to some of them.
in small amounts a bluey is perfectly okay, but if the bluey is stressed, like if its put on an airplane from asia to america, they take over.

meaning, a bluey with stomach problems is likely to need meds to kill the parasutes (if problems are obvious). it will reset its bacteria culture, sadly. and probiotics for blueys are still in need of invention. a new placenta from their parent is not likely to appear from thin air. such meds give anyone a bad stomach

It's true that BD's are no longer imported. (Thankfully, too many here with out a home ) But BD's get many types of parasites including hookworm, tape worm, and so on. We medicate them if the counts are too high.
We have probiotics for BD's. it may be possible to use them for blueys but I'd have to ask the company. Some say they work, others say don't bother. I used them as they can't hurt the animal and I found an improvement. This may have also been in part to Acidophilus+

a beardie who has been in captivity for many generations has lost most part of the parasitic load and can recieve milder treatment that has been tried a lot with success, if i understand it correctly.

I honestly wouldn't know. My vet prescribes meds based on weight and count. I would think that would be the same for any animal, but again, I don't know how harsh other meds are as I've only used Liquid Toltrazuril Coccidiocide 5%.

i think its a much better idea to ask other members than me for specifics about parasites and treatment, but what i wrote was at least partly right x.x

Fair enough. I'm just really happy to know more about a BTS's potty habbits.

[bluewho]

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The best way to keep your dragon healthy is by boosting immune and preventing illness. A regular regimen of probiotics is a great way to maintain good gut flora and will provide better protection when used on a regular schedule. So many people have been conditioned to use acidophilus products when their animals are on meds, but there are lots of other reasons to use probiotics. During times of stress or transition, breeding season, before brumation, after brumation, even times of speedy growth. Juvies are especially under extended amounts of stress, no different than a teenager going through middle school. A strong and established immune system will help protect all animals internally and externally.

Why spend $7, $8 or $10 on a two week supply? A 2 oz to 4 oz jar will last you 6 months or more when used regularly.

Mix 1 to 2 small scoops into 2 ounces of water or electrolyte solution, give 1 to 3 cc/mL per day for 10 days, while on meds, or during times of stress. Repeat in 2 weeks. Squirt solution into greens to wet or toss a small amount of powder into wet greens. Great for adding to slurries or dust a feeding of bugs.

Includes .15 scoop for measuring. Don't forget to get an empty bottle for mixing!

Guaranteed 10 Million CFU per Gram!!! of the following microbes

For ALL pets, including dogs, cats and birds. Dosage for dogs and cats is 1 teaspoon per day mixed into water or sprinkled on food.

Enterococcus faecium, Lactobacillus acidophilus, Lactobacilus casei, Lactobacillus plantarum
Keep in cool, dry place for up to 12 months or refrigerate for long term storage.

This was taken from the bearded dragon co.

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One thing you will find with a BTS is that when they wake up, they warm themselves on their rocks. After about 15 - 20 minutes, they usually have to poo. I have one of mine trained to go on a hand towel if I have him out of the enclosure (well, I'm sort of the one that's trained). If I am holding him and he gets kind of figety, I put him down on his little towel. He hangs out for a minute or so and then goes. If they are in their tanks, they almost always all go in their water dishes. We kept a baby from this year's litter and it's kind of hit and miss. I'm sure it will develop the trait if its anything like all the others we have. I keep the dishes half under the light next to the warming rock so the water catches a little heat. I can't tell you how many pics I have of them just hanging out in their bowls.