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hyper eastern

Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2007 9:56 pm
by Peter
check out these very desirable beauties

http://www.snakeranchnews.com.au/pages/ ... tion=news2

Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2007 10:22 pm
by KyleWeiss
Although a huge fan of keeping natural colors natural (especially for the US bluey population...) those are fascinating pictures with an interesting article. I am curious about the "co-dominant" gene they're theorizing... Though it can only lead to "morphs..."

*waits for Zach tirade...*

KW

Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2007 11:07 pm
by bluetonguemad
those are very interesting looking skinks, albanism and hypermelanism is what weve been studying in bio at the moment and its really quite interesting...

i still need to find a little more out to fully understand it, but hopefully it wont take too long...

Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2007 11:17 pm
by Christi Rose
Wow!!! I just can't stop looking at them... they're just so interesting. It's amazing how different one species can be.

Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2007 11:19 pm
by bluetonguemad
but interbreeding is wrong and should not be done, it destroys the trueness of the subspecies

Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2007 11:26 pm
by Christi Rose
To be honest I didn't read the article, I just looked at the pics. It is disappointed when humans go to that length to make something more physically appealling.

Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2007 11:39 pm
by Jadex25
As interesting as the albino bts is i just LOVE the little black ones...So glossy :)

Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2007 11:54 pm
by KyleWeiss
There's been a recent upsurge in the sightings and display of these super dark Easterns.

KW

Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2007 11:55 pm
by Zach
I don't feel like a tirade, but I will say that I have a soft spot for the little black Easterns. :knewthat: And I'm not sure I have a stance right now on breeding the "mutation" animals. I just don't like light Northerns being called ICE MORPH and darker Northerns called KNIGHT RIDER MORPH, etc. Especially when it's done just to make them sound unique when they're really not.

Thanks, Peter.

Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2007 11:55 pm
by bluetonguemad
it could be an inter breeding problem in the wild maybe, can anyone verify that that may be a possiblity?

Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2007 12:00 am
by KyleWeiss
:freaks: "Night Rider?" :doh: :rofl:

KW

Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2007 12:23 am
by Jadex25
I hope this kinda breeding dosnt become as popular as ball python or bearded dragons morphs...I recon that they look cool but thats not what the real animal looks like...Like with bearded dragons there are like german gaints or somthing and all these ice and fire morphs...its getting outta control

Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2007 12:43 am
by DeadEye
Give them a cool name Please :wink: .Like Dark vaders MMMM


Black-as-coal beauties - these hypermelanistic bluetongues were produced from heterozygous parents.

Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2007 12:50 am
by KyleWeiss
I like morphs, but not at the expense of losing the natural variant.

Leopard Geckoes are a classic example. Finding a natural example that isn't imported is almost impossible, and they're so cool looking...

I saw a bunch of leopard geckoes fresh from Pakistan in San Francisco at one point, all fairly healthy, but there were no bands, no purples, no "carrot" colors, just dark mustard yellow and dark brown spots. They looked similar to this:

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Most breeders are very into making a quick buck on the "next new trend." That is such a pretty face! :(

KW

Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2007 1:54 am
by bluetonguemad
i think people need to rethink, i mean animals are the colours they are for natural reasons, hunting and camoflague etc, so why take away their natural beauty just for a quick buck, the black easterns are cool though

Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2007 2:23 am
by harry
WoW...they are so nice.I would love one or two or three of those :P

Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2007 2:34 am
by rothexl
I want a little black one... :love:

Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2007 6:00 am
by Leigh
There's a guy over hear making a fortune doing seminars and promoting his book all about Morph's and how to do it, Whats next dye injections to boost colourig, the do this with fish, ITS JUST WRONG.....

Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2007 11:05 am
by NomadOfTheHills
Dyeing fish is different than selective breeding.

Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2007 4:35 pm
by Peter
seems to be a bit of confusion here, these are pure Tiliqua scincoides scincoides. They initially occurred naturally and are now being bred to maintain the morph. There is no interbreeding of other species or sub species.
They are pet bluetongues above all else, that should be kept in mind. If you follow the line of purity in species then all captive animals are suspect. Their purity is only hearsay.