Is this a Kei Island?

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Is this a Kei Island?

Postby Lbradford32 » Wed Dec 19, 2018 12:28 am

Purchased my buddy Dink as a Kei Island just looking for some clarification, help is welcome!
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Re: Is this a Kei Island?

Postby splashy07 » Wed Dec 19, 2018 5:49 am

Looks like an Irian Jaya to me. Definitely not KI
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Re: Is this a Kei Island?

Postby splashy07 » Wed Dec 19, 2018 5:54 am

Second look I realized its a baby, could be hard to tell at this age but I still think it more resembles an IJ.. I've seen some KI babies that do look similar however.
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Re: Is this a Kei Island?

Postby mb606587 » Wed Dec 19, 2018 8:09 am

Yeah that doesn't look like a Kei Island to me but Kei babies will look like standard Indonesians and then start developing the unique coloring and freckling at around 3 months. If that is the case it will become obvious. Kei Islands are some of the most beautiful and unique BTS there are.
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Re: Is this a Kei Island?

Postby splashy07 » Wed Dec 19, 2018 8:51 am

Agree with that, and unfortunately not as common as some of the other Indos.
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Re: Is this a Kei Island?

Postby Lbradford32 » Wed Dec 19, 2018 10:20 pm

Thanks everyone he/she is starting to get some white freckles in the black part of its stripes,so we will see, happy no matter what it is. Favorite reptile I’ve owned to date. Got it for $125 so can’t complain and it’s doing great.
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Re: Is this a Kei Island?

Postby xxmonitorlizardxx » Fri Dec 21, 2018 1:20 pm

That is 120% a Kei Island Blue Tongue Skink(Tiliqua gigas keyensis).
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Re: Is this a Kei Island?

Postby mb606587 » Fri Dec 21, 2018 1:24 pm

Strictly curiosity, what are the signs you see that makes you so sure?
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Re: Is this a Kei Island?

Postby Dakota » Fri Dec 21, 2018 1:56 pm

ML is correct -- juvenile keyensis.
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Re: Is this a Kei Island?

Postby mb606587 » Fri Dec 21, 2018 2:53 pm

So again, I'd like to know on what basis you make that determination. I believe for a question on a species determination like this one, there ought to be an explanation as to how you came to that certain conclusion. This will lend more credibility to your response and hopefully somebody reading can learn something new. So I will start:

I'm ruling out Irian Jaya due to one main characteristic. Those legs are heavy on the black and very lightly speckled white, usually indicative of a gigas species. Now the thickness of those bands do resemble Irian Jaya, but that unique marking on the neck is also a characteristic of a gigas.

At first glance, I would also say this animal could be a Merauke. However those bands are a bit thicker than what you typically see (although I've seen some Meraukes and Halmaheras for that matter with similar banding and some of that mottling in between) and I agree that the unique neck marking is more representative of a Kei Island.

So we have Tiliqua gigas gigas and Tiliqua gigas keyensis left on my suspect list. I would tend to agree that if I had to pick one over the other, I'm leaning with you guys on Kei Island due to the thicker bands and markings being more typical of that species but due to the variable nature of Tiliqua gigas gigas, I don't know if I personally would say 100%, or 120%. Fortunately the answer should become very apparent really soon.
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Re: Is this a Kei Island?

Postby Dakota » Fri Dec 21, 2018 5:40 pm

Here is one very similar in pattern and color.
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Re: Is this a Kei Island?

Postby mb606587 » Fri Dec 21, 2018 5:49 pm

Yes that one is no doubt in my mind Kei Island and very pretty at that. The freckling on the face is very distinct. I'm not seeing any noticeable freckling on the other skink, which again sometimes doesn't develop for several months. I'm sure those colors on the one you have there will get even nicer as it ages.
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Re: Is this a Kei Island?

Postby Lbradford32 » Sat Dec 22, 2018 4:30 pm

Closer up picture maybe this will help
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Re: Is this a Kei Island?

Postby mb606587 » Sat Dec 22, 2018 4:46 pm

I keep seeing Irian Jaya every time I see this skink! If it wasn't for those legs and the trident like marking on the neck, I'd be sure of it. Those bands are too thick to be Classic Indonesian or Tiliqua gigas gigas. That unique trident marking and the way it goes down through some of the bands is consistent with a lot of Kei Island that I've seen so I'm going to stick with that, even with the absence of the freckling. Do you know how old?
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Re: Is this a Kei Island?

Postby Lbradford32 » Sat Dec 22, 2018 5:36 pm

Not sure on age haven’t been able to get into contact with the breeder since purchase, have tried asking though. Definitely young though, I’ve had it about a month and a half
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Re: Is this a Kei Island?

Postby mb606587 » Sat Dec 22, 2018 5:39 pm

You sure it was "bred"? Not many people out there breeding this species. I'd imagine if its truly CBB, you'd have paid good money for it.
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Re: Is this a Kei Island?

Postby Lbradford32 » Sat Dec 22, 2018 5:55 pm

Yeah it may not be captive bred, should’ve probably put seller instead of breeder. I’m new to the skink world lol I’m pleased no matter the breed just curious what you guys thought.
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Re: Is this a Kei Island?

Postby xxmonitorlizardxx » Sun Dec 23, 2018 9:54 pm

The thick high contrast banding, the eyebands, the speckles in between the bands, and the fact that you can see where the animal will turn green and red all indicate that this is T. g. keyensis.
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Re: Is this a Kei Island?

Postby Lbradford32 » Mon Dec 24, 2018 12:43 am

I’m assuming they are rare considering I can’t find any care info or much about them
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Re: Is this a Kei Island?

Postby Efferalgan » Mon Dec 24, 2018 6:14 am

xxmonitorlizardxx wrote:the fact that you can see where the animal will turn green and red


I have a young keyensis that looks like the picture, would you care to explain how to determine what are the areas that will turn green and red?

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