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Is it a eastern baby?
Posted: Tue Sep 02, 2014 4:21 pm
by Hanzo
Is it a eastern baby?
Re: Is it a eastern baby?
Posted: Tue Sep 02, 2014 4:24 pm
by xxmonitorlizardxx
No, that is not an Eastern.
That is either a Northern or a Northern x IJ.
Re: Is it a eastern baby?
Posted: Tue Sep 02, 2014 5:54 pm
by Dood
Looks like an Eastern to me.
Re: Is it a eastern baby?
Posted: Tue Sep 02, 2014 5:55 pm
by Scincoides
Definitely not an eastern. Northern or northern mix
Re: Is it a eastern baby?
Posted: Tue Sep 02, 2014 6:59 pm
by Richard.C
Looks about as eastern as a centralian,definatly not eastern
Re: Is it a eastern baby?
Posted: Thu Sep 04, 2014 12:20 pm
by Dood
I am uncertain why you guys think this is definitely not an eastern
Here is an adult Eastern with a similar pattern from -
https://m.flickr.com/#/photos/whawha88/7791241124/And here are pics of baby easterns from Thunder Bay Herps and to my eye they could be litter mates
http://www.thunderbayherps.com/uploads/E-F2_X_M4.05.JPGhttp://www.thunderbayherps.com/uploads/ ... _M7.06.JPG
Re: Is it a eastern baby?
Posted: Thu Sep 04, 2014 4:37 pm
by Richard.C
Dood ,whilst there are similariries, there are differences to,look at tail length relative to body between one in question and rays,also look at adult pic and rays pic to and note bands are getting darker as u move towards tail,also not always so obvious but look at the darkness of neck stripe,easterns even those lacking eye bands are often more pronounced there
Re: Is it a eastern baby?
Posted: Thu Sep 04, 2014 11:33 pm
by jdheff1982
I vote for a Northern mix.
Here's my guy, a pure Northern, at ~4 months:
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Re: Is it a eastern baby?
Posted: Fri Sep 05, 2014 3:12 am
by Richard.C
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Heres one of my pure northerns,they dont all look like classic northerns
Re: Is it a eastern baby?
Posted: Fri Sep 05, 2014 6:32 am
by jdheff1982
That's nice, Richard. However, we're not comparing northerns. I posted my pics so the op would get an idea of what a true, classic northern looks like in comparison to the picture they posted.
Re: Is it a eastern baby?
Posted: Fri Sep 05, 2014 4:06 pm
by Richard.C
Yeah mate,top one doesnt look like a classic,so thought id show some variety so folk dont assume northern babies should all look loke a classic
To many people expect them to all look reasonably similar and are to quick to label any that dont fit the normal bill a hybrid
Ij are especially bad and getting called hybrids of something,a recent one another page with a long gigasy tail was even labeled a probable eastern cross western for some strange reason,lol
Main point being northerns vary alot in looks,and theres plenty of non classic looking ones out there
Re: Is it a eastern baby?
Posted: Fri Sep 05, 2014 5:45 pm
by Dood
Main point being northerns vary alot in looks,and theres plenty of non classic looking ones out there
and there isn't variation in Easterns ????
Considering they are also called the "Common Skinks" I'd think there would be even more variation
The more Easterns I look at the more I think the OP skink is an Eastern.
Re: Is it a eastern baby?
Posted: Fri Sep 05, 2014 6:19 pm
by Scincoides
The first pic you posted are hybrids. Joe ball bred albino easterns to Kimberly Northerns to help introduce some vigor into the albino eastern line. Those beautiful animals are the heterozygous for albino offspring produced. I'm sitting in front of an eastern and a northern right now, I can say without a shadow of a doubt that the OPs animal is not an eastern. The biggest giveaway for me is the lack of "fade to black" on the lower half. I know that there are plenty of easterns out there with an Intermedia look to them, no one is denying that. Unfortunately though, this is not one of them
Re: Is it a eastern baby?
Posted: Fri Sep 05, 2014 6:26 pm
by Scincoides
Also the OPs skink has a longer tail than an Eastern would at that size.
Re: Is it a eastern baby?
Posted: Fri Sep 05, 2014 7:15 pm
by Dood
The first pic you posted are hybrids Joe ball bred albino easterns to Kimberly Northerns to help introduce some vigor into the albino eastern line. Those beautiful animals are the heterozygous for albino offspring produced
Good grief

is there anything pure left out there ?
The biggest giveaway for me is the lack of "fade to black" on the lower half
I noticed this difference but didn't think it was a species trait .... likely because I'm comparing them to hybrids
Thank you clarifying the differences, I've never seen an Eastern in the flesh and can only go by pictures on the Internet which apparently can be accidentally or intentionally mis-labeled

Re: Is it a eastern baby?
Posted: Fri Sep 05, 2014 7:51 pm
by Scincoides
No worries, now you have a few new things to look for in future identification questions.