What do u think about alleged patternless "Easterns"?

[Ophidiophile]

From an ad on Faunaclassifieds for "Patternless T. scincoides scincoides":







They look like those Patternless IJ x Northern crosses, don't they?

[xxmonitorlizardxx]

They're the Northern x Gigas crosses.

[donkeybuff]

Yeah, definitely from the same lines as those NorthernxIJs. I hope nobody buys them and crosses them with actual easterns.

[Dakota]

Idiocy.

[xxmonitorlizardxx]

I'm surprised that he's mislabeling them. He has a very good reputation in the Varanid community...

[Ophidiophile]

I wrote to him back on Feb 2 when he first posted the ad without pictures. He sent me the pics and I wrote saying I thought they were the IJ x Northern crosses that were going around. He wrote back and said he has pure Easterns from 2 locales and has seen the crosses and he feels very confident that these are NOT those but are pure scincoides scincoides. I didn't follow up after that but I have looked at photos of the crosses and IMO these are indistinguishable from them. Stinks that they are being marketed as Easterns and could wind up getting crossed into pure Easterns. If they were marketed as what they really are, I'd have little problem with it.

[Ray Gurgui]

He's just a confident B.S. artist, that hopes he can find a sucker with "a lot of money" that believes these are what (he says) they are .
When we all have seen and know the history behind this line ( IJ X Northern ) they have been around for 9 years now , the longer they are crossed to each other "and or" another species the less they will be recognizable anymore as ( IJ X Northern ).
Someone new to skinks, with cash to burn , will end up being his unsuspecting prey, and get suckered out of a lot of money for a line of B.S.

[Dakota]

SeanUK is on this forum.. just send him a PM.

[Ray Gurgui]

SeanUK is on this forum.. just send him a PM.

Do you always have to be in everyone business ?

I miss the old saying ..... seen and not herd !

[Dakota]

I mean if you are really worried, sending him a PM from your account (so he knows you have knowledge with BTS with your "Pearl of Wisdom" stars), I'm sure he will listen. I would anyways..

[Ophidiophile]

I miss the old saying ..... seen and not herd !

Ditto

[Dakota]

I haven't messaged (don't plan to) him, if you thought I messaged him..

[Richard.C]

I mean if you are really worried, sending him a PM from your account (so he knows you have knowledge with BTS with your "Pearl of Wisdom" stars), I'm sure he will listen. I would anyways..

I have pearl of wisdom stars and u dont listen to me :p

[Dakota]

You are the only exception, Richard.

I had a feeling you would comment that, too.

[Scincoides]

This thread has made a normally very boring night at work very enjoyable.

[Richard.C]

i couldnt resist

I guess this is a similar case to ben seigal claiming the alb easterns are an unknown indo species but the oppasite in his are actually pure eastern

These patternless crosses must be sourced from canada,which explains the call for easterns,lol

[xxmonitorlizardxx]

:lol: i couldnt resist

I guess this is a similar case to ben seigal claiming the alb easterns are an unknown indo species but the oppasite in his are actually pure eastern

These patternless crosses must be sourced from canada,which explains the call for easterns,lol

I think you're confusing Ben Seigel for Global Captive Breeders. I think...

[Richard.C]

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I wonder if they would swap for this ij x northern

No ml,ben seigal,he mentioned breeding the albs over many species as he didnt know what species they were being indo imports

Similar to those hypermel easterns u posted ages back where seller claimed they were indo imports ,in short covering there butts with obviously smuggled aussies

[Jbolar]

[Scincoides]

Hahahahaha nice James