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Species identification?

Postby DrakeLineous12 » Wed Mar 13, 2013 1:59 pm

Can anyone identify if this female's (I assume female since her head is somewhat small) a Merauke? The leg and stripe pattern as well as the non-outlined head scales point to this, but her tail isn't as proportionally long as what the site says. She's only about 20" so she still has some growing to do and maybe her tail could lengthen out more.
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Re: Species identification?

Postby Dakota » Wed Mar 13, 2013 2:02 pm

Looks to be a Merauke.. Definitely has some more room to grow.
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Re: Species identification?

Postby Bird_Brain » Wed Mar 13, 2013 2:04 pm

Moved to the correct forum ;)

Yes, it's a merauke and IMO, looks male.
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Re: Species identification?

Postby xxmonitorlizardxx » Wed Mar 13, 2013 2:10 pm

Looks to be a male, Merauke (Tiliqua gigas evanescens)
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Re: Species identification?

Postby DrakeLineous12 » Wed Mar 13, 2013 2:11 pm

Awesome; how do you sex these guys?
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Re: Species identification?

Postby Bird_Brain » Wed Mar 13, 2013 2:15 pm

Visually sexing is not accurate, but with the gigas species it seems to be easier than the other species. Body shape and hemipenes bulge at base of tail are big indicators with the help of looking at them for several years :)
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Re: Species identification?

Postby DrakeLineous12 » Wed Mar 13, 2013 2:23 pm

Yeah, I've checked for hemipenes, but it's completely flat down there. I'll just have a vet see when I go for a visit
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Re: Species identification?

Postby Dakota » Wed Mar 13, 2013 2:41 pm

At what age is most accurate to tell? By appearance, that is..(even though it's not very accurate at all)
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Re: Species identification?

Postby xxmonitorlizardxx » Wed Mar 13, 2013 2:43 pm

Adult, I assume around two years old.
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Re: Species identification?

Postby LarissaLurid » Wed Mar 13, 2013 3:53 pm

Definitely a Merauke, "he's" cute. If I had to make a guess I'd say male, but when looking for hemipenes I'd watch when he's going to the bathroom and sometimes you'll see them pop out, it doesn't happen every time though. They also will drop sperm plugs, which can be hard to see in the cage though so it's not always going to be noticed.

Monitorlizard, why do you say 2 years though? My Merauke is over 20" and only just over one, I know they all grow differently but just was curious because it seems random. I do agree on adult at least 1 year old though. :]
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Re: Species identification?

Postby xxmonitorlizardxx » Wed Mar 13, 2013 4:01 pm

I was answering dakotanivens' question, as I would assume that two year old males would have the most "drive/testosterone" (for a lack of better words) to breed, which should give them a larger hemipenal bulge allowing for more acurate sexing.
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Re: Species identification?

Postby LarissaLurid » Wed Mar 13, 2013 4:05 pm

xxmonitorlizardxx wrote:I was answering dakotanivens' question, as I would assume that two year old males would have the most "drive/testosterone" (for a lack of better words) to breed, which should give them a larger hemipenal bulge allowing for more acurate sexing.


Oh wow *facepalm* I misread the post asking about the age...nevermind lol. Woops. I thought they were asking for an accurate age estimate on the skink, not on when you can sex them easier. Sorry lol
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Re: Species identification?

Postby stinkyskinky » Wed Mar 13, 2013 4:42 pm

Looks like a porpotionately long tail to me. ;) ....I have an Indo. Her tail is not that long.
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Re: Species identification?

Postby Spindown » Wed Mar 13, 2013 7:34 pm

Just curious, OP, how did you "check" for hemipenes? Hemipenes are stored internally until copulation or bathroom time.

Do not try and have a vet sex your skink...they will either try to "pop" it or probe it...either way can cause serious damage to blueys and many other species of skinks. Most vets (many reptile vets included) do not know how to "properly" do this and WILL damage your skink, possibly permanently.

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Re: Species identification?

Postby xxmonitorlizardxx » Wed Mar 13, 2013 7:54 pm

SapphireTigress wrote:ML, assuming something is true doesnt make it true...

Yes, that is why I said,"I assume", because to assume means,"to take for granted or without proof" (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/assume?s=t) rather than,"it is a" because then a mod would have started to PM me again yelling that I was wrong or something.
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Re: Species identification?

Postby DrakeLineous12 » Thu Mar 14, 2013 4:12 am

good to know, stinkystinky. I've personally probed and popped dozens of snakes and lizards, but I've never hurt any of them. I'll take your word for it though SapphireTigress, better safe than sorry
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Re: Species identification?

Postby Spindown » Thu Mar 14, 2013 9:24 am

haha ML i wonder how many times you've been PM'd :P
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There have been people who have said they can sex skinks successfully and safely, but I would imagine only a tiny percentage of those folks actually can. I sure cant, wish I could though!
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Re: Species identification?

Postby DrakeLineous12 » Thu Mar 14, 2013 11:01 am

I've never tried to sex skinks before, but I assume you'd need a confirmed male and female as a baseline. That's what I did with other reptiles,
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Re: Species identification?

Postby Spindown » Thu Mar 14, 2013 11:29 am

I've used behavior sexing (so yeah, for that you would need at least two skinks, but not necessarily 2 confirmed) and also watched for hemipenes. That was a surprising experience! >D
For example, when I was trying to figure out the sex of my Indo and my merauke, my merauke didnt really care about my indo but he apparently thought she was super sexy and tried to chase her down to make babies! I stopped that before anything could happen though :D Later on, I introduced my merauke to my now confirmed female northern and they just went about their day like the other wasnt even there. Not 100% guaranteed method of course, but sometimes it can be pretty obvious LOL
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Re: Species identification?

Postby DrakeLineous12 » Thu Mar 14, 2013 11:50 am

Cool, I actually got this one from a member here and the guy said he saw a sperm plug a couple years back but nothing afterwards, so he wasn't really sure. I'll stick with male for now lol

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