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Re: my new scaley friend

Postby El Lobo » Tue Jan 01, 2013 3:57 pm

hargidsmomy wrote:
El Lobo wrote:Something to consider with corn: the outer casing of the kernel consists of indigestible cellulose, meaning it can't be broken down during digestion. With the small diameter of a BTS' intestines together with the fact they don't masticate their food the casing has the potential to cause a blockage in the intestinal tract leading to impaction.

This sort of meal has served the blotchies well.

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whats in this mix?


Kale, capsicum, grated butternut squash and carrot, mushroom, kangaroo rump and papaya. It is all dusted with phosphorous-free calcium powder with D3.
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Re: my new scaley friend

Postby hargidsmomy » Tue Jan 01, 2013 5:58 pm

ok so i gave him some dog roll and hes not intrested but i put shrimp in and hes intrested lmao :ohyes:
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Re: my new scaley friend

Postby Bird_Brain » Tue Jan 01, 2013 6:32 pm

Of course I'd rather have cake over veggies too....
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Re: my new scaley friend

Postby Rani-May » Tue Jan 01, 2013 7:19 pm

exactly what brad said. its like feeding your kids maccas every meal instead of veggies and real meat. he is gonna end up having health issues. we have tried to kindly help you. please dont be naive enough to think what you are feeding him is good for him
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Re: my new scaley friend

Postby Rani-May » Tue Jan 01, 2013 7:21 pm

and you still need to get veggies and greens into him as well as a calcium with d3 supplement. if you want to have a bluey, make sure you give him a good life and do it right :)
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Re: my new scaley friend

Postby hargidsmomy » Tue Jan 01, 2013 7:34 pm

Rani-May wrote:exactly what brad said. its like feeding your kids maccas every meal instead of veggies and real meat. he is gonna end up having health issues. we have tried to kindly help you. please dont be naive enough to think what you are feeding him is good for him



i am not being naive i am feeeding him what is best for him he has veges etc
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Re: my new scaley friend

Postby Sandlizard » Tue Jan 01, 2013 7:47 pm

Dried whole shrimp, as in the kind used for fish food has a lot of calcium because of the shell.
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Re: my new scaley friend

Postby hargidsmomy » Tue Jan 01, 2013 7:54 pm

the diet my guy is on has been changed since i hae had him he now has dog roll but is still gettin shrimp this diet is used by well known and trusted breeders etc in new zealand so any negative feedback bout his diet is fine as i know i am doing it right each lizard is different he gets his veges etc each day he is not staving or sick also each owner will feed there skinks whatever is avalible and is safe for him to eat
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Postby Rani-May » Tue Jan 01, 2013 9:01 pm

im glad he is on some dog roll now. You just made it sound like he only lived on shrimp, i think that is why it got some negative feedback
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Re: my new scaley friend

Postby Lea » Tue Jan 01, 2013 9:27 pm

I'll labour on the bad side of shrimp, other shellfish and most likely, fish in general.

Shrimp is high in cholesterol, which isn't easily broken down in reptiles. This can lead to claudication of vessels and organs and even organ failure. The heart pump can be inhibited by the hard fatty deposits and lead to secondary failure.

Shrimp and shellfish are also high in sodium, iron and minerals. Some good, like calcium and the associated vitamin d, others are bad and can cause harm. The high protein in shrimp can lead to excess in the diet, which has a negative impact on the renal system. It is also extremely high in selenium, which in excess, can lead to poisoning- obviously harmful, but also a distressing side effect to live with.

Please remember that you have your very first blue tongue and members here have years of experience and can offer valuable advice. Vets are good in their own speciality, but often don't know or even don't care about the nitty gritty of reptile care. Even reptiles differ so much between species.

Start a clean slate and from scratch. You said you want to give your blue tongue the best ... So listen hard and do just that with the very sound advice you are given from keepers on this site, some of whom have 10, 20 or even more years experience.
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Re: my new scaley friend

Postby El Lobo » Tue Jan 01, 2013 9:41 pm

Hargidsmomy, you may well not be naive but you do seem to have an advanced case of pig-headedness. The diet you describe is not a suitable diet for a t.scincoides.scincoides. Good advice is being offered yet you remain determined to ignore such in favour of something a petshop or breeder has told you. As you state the skink is already 2 years old so should not be fed on a daily basis. Because he is fed so often he can become picky, choosing to eat only what he feels like If he has had the same unbalanced diet all his short life he will eat the food items he recognises, this does not necessarily mean that just because he recognises and eats them they are good for his health.

According to your profile you also have 2 rabbits. I have a few also and have been keeping them for quite some time and I can tell you I have yet to hear, see or read any diet suggested by rabbit breeders that comes even close to being appropriate to keep rabbits in good health over an extended period of time. Keeping any animal aside from the standard dog or cat as a pet requires a better knowledge of their dietary requirement than you will ever gain from a commercial breeder or petshop.
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Re: my new scaley friend

Postby hargidsmomy » Tue Jan 01, 2013 10:12 pm

the exact food my blue tounge is on is
petroll
mixed veges minis the corn
river shrimp pellets
lean beef mince
snails
beetles
slugs

i will refuse to give him petroll that is chicken or has rice in it

he gets clean water every day and i offer food everyday it stays in there for 3 hours then gets taken out i let him eat when he wants to
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Re: my new scaley friend

Postby hargidsmomy » Tue Jan 01, 2013 10:24 pm

my mans enclosure
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i would love some ideas for a house he can hide in etc his old one a alchole box is broken lol also is his heat lamp ok like this

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Re: my new scaley friend

Postby hargidsmomy » Tue Jan 01, 2013 10:28 pm

also sorry for my pig headedness :bluey1: :bluey1:
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Re: my new scaley friend

Postby Fatal_S » Tue Jan 01, 2013 10:39 pm

As someone who'd messed up a diet badly, I'll stay out of that. Just wanted to say he is stunning. Are you sure it's a he? He's huge. I'm very jealous, I would love some Easterns.
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Re: my new scaley friend

Postby Lea » Tue Jan 01, 2013 10:50 pm

Apology accepted- just remember to listen and be open to new suggestions and ideas, from people that know a lot about what they are talking about. Look out for the moderators, also, if in doubt about what you are being told. They most definitely have knowledge to bare. It is difficult when trying to accept the opposite of what you may have been already told, so we understand it can be wearing and frustrating for you, but you can trust this site to give you the best of what is out there to learn. It's up to you now to make the best of that to give your skink a healthy and fulfilled life.


As to you enclosure. It's quite spacious, so that's a bonus. The more room, the better. It's good you have put the lights in cages to protect your skink, too. I'd get rid of the loose newspaper, which is a fire hazard. Try a tea towel! Most will use something simple like that to hide under, but you can consider small logs, half flower pots (ceramic) and other items for hides. Always consider fire safety when selecting items for the enclosure.

You don't necessarily need a large water dish, but often they will bathe and sit in water, particularly near shedding and a bigger dish is usually more sturdy. Just keep it fairly shallow, to prevent accidents.

What substrate are you using?
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Re: my new scaley friend

Postby Lea » Tue Jan 01, 2013 10:54 pm

Sorry, I think it's gravel?? If so, change that as soon as possible. Skinks can ingest small stones, both intentionally and accidentally with food- this can lead to problems with impaction, ruptures of the bowel or stomach and/or infection, so best avoided. I think you can get condensed wood chips in NZ, or a coconut fibre? Try those. They can be more pricey, but last well and are easy to clean, with the best bonus of it being safe for your skink.
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Re: my new scaley friend

Postby hargidsmomy » Tue Jan 01, 2013 11:05 pm

i will be getting him aspen bedding i have taken paper out and put a tea towel in now
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Re: my new scaley friend

Postby Lea » Tue Jan 01, 2013 11:22 pm

Excellent!
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Re: my new scaley friend

Postby hargidsmomy » Tue Jan 01, 2013 11:38 pm

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