HELP : Toes turning red with no cause, and sudden lethargic behavior

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HELP : Toes turning red with no cause, and sudden lethargic behavior

Postby PeepinBones » Fri Mar 25, 2022 1:37 pm

My skink is having problems with his toes for a few months. He's been back and forth from the vet and I've done everything they asked and followed caresheets closely, but his problem persists. Today it's suddenly turned into a full-body problem and I'm desperate for help. Sorry for the very long post

vv Breakdown of my care farther below vv


What started it

This problem all started at the beginning of this year. He looked like he got a small cut on the underside of his foot on the pad, I thought he got it by scraping up against a particularly sharp piece of bedding chip. I made sure to keep it clean and expected it to heal up but a week later his middle toe on that foot (his left front) started to turn red. I gave him warm baths to help the healing prosses and waited to see if it would resolve. More time passes and I thought it started to get better, but then in the span of a week it turned black and now his other foot had a cut around his finger and it then started to turn red.

I took him to the vet and they told me he had gotten fibers/hairs maybe caught around his toes and that was the cause. They recommended I change bedding (i did) but also keep him on paper towels while he heals. They said they got all the fibers off, but he did lose that black toe. He had full little medicated bandages on both feet and he was on antibiotics as well as anti-inflammatories. I did the full course of the treatment and was able to take off his bandages. His feet looked so much better, and after more time they healed over and sealed, letting me take him off the paper towels and into his new fiber-free bedding.

Today's emergancy

Up until this Tuesday, the 22nd, he was doing good. But on that day he seemed almost depressed and stayed in his hide all day, which is very unlike him. I thought it was because he was going to shed or that he just had an off day, but the last few days he had gotten worse. He's now lethargic, not wanting to move much, and about four other of his toes on all feet are now turning red. I've made sure that he has no shed stuck, made sure his feet and encloser stays clean, and that nothing else is wrapped around his toes and cutting circulation off

I'm waiting for his vet to respond back to me, they're fully booked and trying to squeeze me in but I wanted some input on this because I'm making myself sick worrying. Like a said above I've fixed everything that could be causing problems and I just can't understand what I'm doing wrong, I'm just so worried about him and the guilt keeps me up at night. I just want to make him happy and healthy again, I'm willing to change anything. His health is way more important to me than anything else.



Here's a breakdown of my current care for him:

Heat----
100 - 85 day gradient
90/95 - 80 night gradient
UVB Compact bulb

Humidity---
45-60
I spray his tank multiple times a day to ensure he doesn't dry out, but I also make sure he's not drenched

Substrate---
I use Carefresh Small Animal Bedding which is dust and fiber-free, as recommended by his vet.
He was previously on Zoo Med Forest Floor Bedding, but his vet suspected he was getting the fibers from it around his toes so I switched to the one above
I clean his tank weekly and make sure he has about 2-3 inches to burrow

Tank---
He has a 50 gal tank

Diet---
He eats every other day and I rotate his food a bit each time so he gets a variety
Calcium Powder is mixed in with every meal, and once a week he gets Vitamin A powder added in place of the Calcium
All of this is finely minced up and served as 60% greens 40% proteins

Greens:
- Collard greens
- Green bell peppers
- Mustard greens
- a very, very small amount of parsley
- Cucumber
- Green beans

Protein:
- Whole raw egg, shell and all
- 1 of three different fresh meat dog food. All grain-free and non-seafood with high calcium and other greens
(I mainly use chicken, beef, turkey, and lamb)
- Mealworms
All mealworms are fed:
    Raw cut potatoes
    Calcium mealworm flake food
    Vitamin gut load powder, given to me by my vet
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Re: HELP : Toes turning red with no cause, and sudden lethargic behavior

Postby splashy07 » Mon Mar 28, 2022 4:46 am

Your issue is most likely your bedding. Carefresh is for hamsters and the like....not reptiles unless they are desert species. I have used it for bearded dragons with no issues but it is entirely too dry for BTS unless you keep desert animals. For the common skinks on today's market it is not good, regardless of what your vet says.
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Re: HELP : Toes turning red with no cause, and sudden lethargic behavior

Postby splashy07 » Mon Mar 28, 2022 4:47 am

And to add, zoo med cypress mulch does not contain anything harmful. I have used it practically since it was invented.
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Re: HELP : Toes turning red with no cause, and sudden lethargic behavior

Postby PeepinBones » Mon Mar 28, 2022 6:52 am

splashy07 wrote:Your issue is most likely your bedding. Carefresh is for hamsters and the like....not reptiles unless they are desert species. I have used it for bearded dragons with no issues but it is entirely too dry for BTS unless you keep desert animals. For the common skinks on today's market it is not good, regardless of what your vet says.


I'm not a fan of it, (found it a weird choice) but I thought I'd give it a try since I'm pretty desperate. I managed to get an appointment tomorrow with another vet for a second opinion and will definitely be bringing it up.

Thank you for your input, I really appreciate you taking the time to reply and help me narrow down the search a bit!
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Re: HELP : Toes turning red with no cause, and sudden lethargic behavior

Postby splashy07 » Mon Mar 28, 2022 7:02 am

I'm sorry I forgot to ask, what species do you have?
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Re: HELP : Toes turning red with no cause, and sudden lethargic behavior

Postby PeepinBones » Mon Mar 28, 2022 7:22 pm

splashy07 wrote:I'm sorry I forgot to ask, what species do you have?

He's a Northern
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Re: HELP : Toes turning red with no cause, and sudden lethargic behavior

Postby splashy07 » Tue Mar 29, 2022 4:42 am

Can you post a picture of him, and his foot problems?
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Re: HELP : Toes turning red with no cause, and sudden lethargic behavior

Postby Janella » Tue Mar 29, 2022 1:39 pm

Definitely post a picture/s when you can. We need to verify if your skink is indeed a Northern or not. Also l would switch to a better substrate as well. My Northern love Zilla Jungle Mix with Reptibark on top and I have had zero issues with him. I am not sure what to think of the red toe issues. Sounds like it may be some sort of infection now. I hope the second vet can figure it out.
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Re: HELP : Toes turning red with no cause, and sudden lethargic behavior

Postby PeepinBones » Wed Mar 30, 2022 11:36 am

Here is what he looks like (older photo before his problems) and the redness I'm talking about.
I did get to the vet yesterday and they said that the cause could be that his feet are drying out super quickly in comparison to his body. I've started giving him daily soaks and switched him back to paper towels for the time being so his toes can heal. I'm getting him a reptile humidifier to make sure he gets more moisture throughout the day, so he doesn't have to rely on me spraying his tank. They also prescribed him an ointment that will guard his open cuts from infection and fungal infection while they heal. He doesn't currently have any infection thankfully, he just needs some more moisture than what I was giving.
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Re: HELP : Toes turning red with no cause, and sudden lethargic behavior

Postby Janella » Wed Mar 30, 2022 5:44 pm

I do wish you the best of luck getting your skink back on the right track of health. Hopefully, all the meds and new changes will work out.

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