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Thermostat, dimmer and heat/uvb... help!

Postby SuperNinjaDragon » Fri Apr 06, 2018 4:37 am

Hello! This is my first post here - so! I am planning on getting a blue tongue, and am going to buy the following items :helpme: :

  • Zoo Med Reptile Rock Water Dish:
    Image
  • Food bowl
  • Exo Terra Reptile Cave Large (can I use it as a basking spot?):
    Image
  • SolarGlo UV Heat Lamp 80w:
    Image
  • AcuRite 01130M Digital Hygrometer and Thermometer(one on hot end, one on cool end):
    Image
  • Zoo Med Aspen Snake Bedding:
    Image
  • Jurassipet JurassiSafe
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  • Juvenile blue tongue
  • 60 x 45 x 45cm Glass Terrarium OR 90 x 45 x 45cm Vivarium OR larger?
    Image Image

Would this be all - is it enough to accommodate an adult blue tongue - did I forget anything? I'm worried in particular about the reliability of the light/heater and water conditioner(JurassiSafe). Any cost saving tips too?

Edit: Wanting help with thermostat, dimmer and lighting/heating!


Thanks for reading my post! :D
Last edited by SuperNinjaDragon on Fri Apr 06, 2018 6:10 pm, edited 2 times in total.
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Re: What supplies are suitable/safe/necessary?

Postby splashy07 » Fri Apr 06, 2018 7:57 am

If you do not yet have your lizard, don't purchase aspen if you are planning on an Indonesian species. Way too dry. Will suck the humidity (which they need plenty of) right out of the air. I even stopped using it for my Northerns, and they are shedding perfectly now.
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Re: What supplies are suitable/safe/necessary?

Postby Y33T » Fri Apr 06, 2018 9:41 am

That reptile one enclosure is pretty expensive though. Its much cheaper to buy a 4ft/120x50x40 one on ebay.
You can use those Exo Terra hides as a basking spot. I use an XL Exo Terra cave as one and they absorb heat very well but its best to still provide another hide on the cool side so they can thermoregulate.
I’d rather use something else other than aspen. It can dry out their belly scales and it gets mouldy when wet. I use brunnings coir peat which you can find at woolies for just $3 a brick. Don’t buy the ones with the warning label though. The good ones show on the packaging that it’s ideal for reptiles.
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Re: What supplies are suitable/safe/necessary?

Postby SuperNinjaDragon » Fri Apr 06, 2018 5:17 pm

splashy07 wrote:If you do not yet have your lizard, don't purchase aspen if you are planning on an Indonesian species. Way too dry. Will suck the humidity (which they need plenty of) right out of the air. I even stopped using it for my Northerns, and they are shedding perfectly now.

I'm not getting an Indonesian species(illegal in australia), but I will reconsider the substrate. Thanks for your input :D

Y33T wrote:That reptile one enclosure is pretty expensive though. Its much cheaper to buy a 4ft/120x50x40 one on ebay.
You can use those Exo Terra hides as a basking spot. I use an XL Exo Terra cave as one and they absorb heat very well but its best to still provide another hide on the cool side so they can thermoregulate.
I’d rather use something else other than aspen. It can dry out their belly scales and it gets mouldy when wet. I use brunnings coir peat which you can find at woolies for just $3 a brick. Don’t buy the ones with the warning label though. The good ones show on the packaging that it’s ideal for reptiles.

@Y33T Thank you for the reccomendation on bunning's coir peat! :) It's much cheaper than the aspen, however, I'm concerned that it's moisture holding abilities will harbour bugs/mould of some kind.
The tank is quite expensive, blowing over the 200 dollar range, so I'll check out ebay too, thanks for the suggestion!

I heard that a thermostat and dimmer is great for heating, but I don't know how to buy/use them. Help?
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Re: Thermostat, dimmer and heat/uvb... help!

Postby kingofnobbys » Fri Apr 06, 2018 9:05 pm

SuperNinjaDragon wrote:Hello! This is my first post here - so! I am planning on getting a blue tongue, and am going to buy the following items :helpme: :

If you are getting a baby or juvenile , a good start is a 100L or 150L tub converted to a rearing tub for it's first year - ie https://www.beardeddragon.org/forums/vi ... 4&t=233480

  • Zoo Med Reptile Rock Water Dish:
    Image
    make sure it has a rough surface so the BT can easily crawl out.
  • Food bowl
  • Exo Terra Reptile Cave Large (can I use it as a basking spot?): <<<is OK , my BTS have jumbo sized HubbaHuts which are great as basking spots too and super cozy when they make their "nests" under them .

    Image
  • SolarGlo UV Heat Lamp 80w:
    Image
    <<<<is an OK MVB , but I think you'll be better off with a domestic indoor / outdoor par38 incandescent or halogen spotglobe + an Arcadia t5HO 6%UVB or 12%UVB tube depending the BTS you get and this covering 2/3 to 3/4 the length of the viv in a good reflector hood like an Arcadia Slimline Luminaire ., very hard to find here in Australia , I found it easier to order my Slimline 24W t5ho kits here http://www.reptile-specialist.co.uk/pro ... 60cm-.html , and they came with a 12%UVB t5ho tube in the price and arrived in great shape , all I needed was UK - AUS travel adapter to plug into the power board or in my case since I bought 4 kits ( two BTS and two CBDs ) I simply bought a 1in/4Out UK powerboard from them and a single UK-AUS travel adapter plug --- UK are also 220VAC 50Hz so it's a simple conversion.
  • AcuRite 01130M Digital Hygrometer and Thermometer(one on hot end, one on cool end): <<<< probably OK , I like the Ebay ones that are lots cheaper and just as good.
    Image
  • Zoo Med Aspen Snake Bedding:
    Image <<< aspen is not good..... peet coir or coco peet are better (I use Kritters Krumble (course grade , mixed with gumtree leaf litter (from my front lawn :) ) for my easterns and they love it , and love the little bugs that sometimes comes with the leaf litter .... I do remove spiders and slugs and snails from it JIC, the millipedes disappear fast.).
  • Jurassipet JurassiSafe
    Image <<< what's wrong with using tap water ???
  • Juvenile blue tongue
  • 60 x 45 x 45cm Glass Terrarium OR 90 x 45 x 45cm Vivarium OR larger?
    Image Image
Bigger .... I'd go for a timber with glass sliding front doors in a 4ft x 2ft x 45cm tall viv. NO MESH LIDS PLEASE too hard to maintain a good thermal gradient and to maintain a good microclimate., skink will appreciate the extra space and grow into it.

Would this be all - is it enough to accommodate an adult blue tongue - did I forget anything? I'm worried in particular about the reliability of the light/heater and water conditioner(JurassiSafe). Any cost saving tips too?

Edit: Wanting help with thermostat, dimmer and lighting/heating!
<<<< MVBs do not work with thermostats .
If you want to have thermostat , you can't use it with a MVB , the MVB simply wont work. Hence the use of a par38 spotty and maybe a CHE for overnight and maybe a heatpad (these can be controlled by dimming or switching thermostats very effectively , its then just a matter of how fancy you want to go (some require programming to set alarms and control bands (upper / lower control limits and even come with built in timers .... more hassle than they are worth IMO).

Philips par38 incandescents are very good and can be found at Bunnings .... this is the what you are looking for ,very good quality light, dimmable , and throw plenty of heat . see http://www.lighting.philips.com/main/pr ... EU/product
can be had on Ebay too. Avail if you hunt them down in 80W, 100W and 130W.

if you go for a halogen par38 , aim for maybe 40 - 50W as they are super hot !!

DO NOT buy the junky plastic GU10-e27 adapters sold by that mob in Sydney (Reptile Direct) - they melt and smoulder and are fire hazards - if you opt for a GU10 halogen , get a full ceramic gu10 fitting or adapter.





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Re: What supplies are suitable/safe/necessary?

Postby kingofnobbys » Fri Apr 06, 2018 10:00 pm

SuperNinjaDragon wrote:
splashy07 wrote:If you do not yet have your lizard, don't purchase aspen if you are planning on an Indonesian species. Way too dry. Will suck the humidity (which they need plenty of) right out of the air. I even stopped using it for my Northerns, and they are shedding perfectly now.

I'm not getting an Indonesian species(illegal in australia), but I will reconsider the substrate. Thanks for your input :D

Y33T wrote:That reptile one enclosure is pretty expensive though. Its much cheaper to buy a 4ft/120x50x40 one on ebay.
You can use those Exo Terra hides as a basking spot. I use an XL Exo Terra cave as one and they absorb heat very well but its best to still provide another hide on the cool side so they can thermoregulate.
I’d rather use something else other than aspen. It can dry out their belly scales and it gets mouldy when wet. I use brunnings coir peat which you can find at woolies for just $3 a brick. Don’t buy the ones with the warning label though. The good ones show on the packaging that it’s ideal for reptiles.

@Y33T Thank you for the reccomendation on bunning's coir peat! :) It's much cheaper than the aspen, however, I'm concerned that it's moisture holding abilities will harbour bugs/mould of some kind.
The tank is quite expensive, blowing over the 200 dollar range, so I'll check out ebay too, thanks for the suggestion!

I heard that a thermostat and dimmer is great for heating, but I don't know how to buy/use them. Help?


Unless you are out in Blue Mts or far SW suburbs , your new skinky pal will be fine overnight if the viv is in nice warm house over winter , my guys have 7W film style heatpad sandwiched between secondhand wall tiles under their caves , I set the thermostat at 34degC for the EBTs and the heatpads are run 24/7 , my two love their warm caves and sleep there most nights and often take siestas there during the days.
This is how I set up my heatpads : https://www.beardeddragon.org/forums/vi ... s#p1746469 , I'm close to the coast and Lake Macquarie so it never gets really frosty here , plus I run my aircon 24/7 in summer and winter and that keeps the climate in my house controlled.

If you in a colder area of Sydney , where it gets frosty overnight, your BT will benefit from overnight heating via either the above , or a Ceramic Heat Emitter (emits no visible light) on a dimming thermostat.

I spot clean as soon as I see a poo , change out the bedding completely for the BTs every week or two - and this helps keep things from going pear shaped.

I've built all my big vivs from 3/4 marine ply , and all my young lizards start off in rearing tubs.
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Re: Thermostat, dimmer and heat/uvb... help!

Postby SuperNinjaDragon » Sat Apr 07, 2018 1:42 am

kingofnobbys wrote:
SuperNinjaDragon wrote:Hello! This is my first post here - so! I am planning on getting a blue tongue, and am going to buy the following items :helpme: :

If you are getting a baby or juvenile , a good start is a 100L or 150L tub converted to a rearing tub for it's first year - ie https://www.beardeddragon.org/forums/vi ... 4&t=233480

  • Zoo Med Reptile Rock Water Dish
    make sure it has a rough surface so the BT can easily crawl out.
  • Food bowl
  • Exo Terra Reptile Cave Large (can I use it as a basking spot?): <<<is OK , my BTS have jumbo sized HubbaHuts which are great as basking spots too and super cozy when they make their "nests" under them .
  • SolarGlo UV Heat Lamp 80w
    <<<<is an OK MVB , but I think you'll be better off with a domestic indoor / outdoor par38 incandescent or halogen spotglobe + an Arcadia t5HO 6%UVB or 12%UVB tube depending the BTS you get and this covering 2/3 to 3/4 the length of the viv in a good reflector hood like an Arcadia Slimline Luminaire ., very hard to find here in Australia , I found it easier to order my Slimline 24W t5ho kits here http://www.reptile-specialist.co.uk/pro ... 60cm-.html , and they came with a 12%UVB t5ho tube in the price and arrived in great shape , all I needed was UK - AUS travel adapter to plug into the power board or in my case since I bought 4 kits ( two BTS and two CBDs ) I simply bought a 1in/4Out UK powerboard from them and a single UK-AUS travel adapter plug --- UK are also 220VAC 50Hz so it's a simple conversion.
  • AcuRite 01130M Digital Hygrometer and Thermometer(one on hot end, one on cool end): <<<< probably OK , I like the Ebay ones that are lots cheaper and just as good.
  • Zoo Med Aspen Snake Bedding:
    <<< aspen is not good..... peet coir or coco peet are better (I use Kritters Krumble (course grade , mixed with gumtree leaf litter (from my front lawn :) ) for my easterns and they love it , and love the little bugs that sometimes comes with the leaf litter .... I do remove spiders and slugs and snails from it JIC, the millipedes disappear fast.).
  • Jurassipet JurassiSafe
    <<< what's wrong with using tap water ???
  • Juvenile blue tongue
  • 60 x 45 x 45cm Glass Terrarium OR 90 x 45 x 45cm Vivarium OR larger?
Bigger .... I'd go for a timber with glass sliding front doors in a 4ft x 2ft x 45cm tall viv. NO MESH LIDS PLEASE too hard to maintain a good thermal gradient and to maintain a good microclimate., skink will appreciate the extra space and grow into it.

Would this be all - is it enough to accommodate an adult blue tongue - did I forget anything? I'm worried in particular about the reliability of the light/heater and water conditioner(JurassiSafe). Any cost saving tips too?

Edit: Wanting help with thermostat, dimmer and lighting/heating!
<<<< MVBs do not work with thermostats .
If you want to have thermostat , you can't use it with a MVB , the MVB simply wont work. Hence the use of a par38 spotty and maybe a CHE for overnight and maybe a heatpad (these can be controlled by dimming or switching thermostats very effectively , its then just a matter of how fancy you want to go (some require programming to set alarms and control bands (upper / lower control limits and even come with built in timers .... more hassle than they are worth IMO).

Philips par38 incandescents are very good and can be found at Bunnings .... this is the what you are looking for ,very good quality light, dimmable , and throw plenty of heat . see http://www.lighting.philips.com/main/pr ... EU/product
can be had on Ebay too. Avail if you hunt them down in 80W, 100W and 130W.

if you go for a halogen par38 , aim for maybe 40 - 50W as they are super hot !!

DO NOT buy the junky plastic GU10-e27 adapters sold by that mob in Sydney (Reptile Direct) - they melt and smoulder and are fire hazards - if you opt for a GU10 halogen , get a full ceramic gu10 fitting or adapter.


Thanks for reading my post! :D


Thank you for the feedback, kingofnobbys! :D
Sorry, I'm confused about heating and lighting again :( What does MVB stand for? A light? Can you detail your precise heating/lighting setup?
As for the JurrassiSafe, someone told me that water conditioner is necessary. Are the small amounts of chlorine and fluoride in tap water not harmful for reptiles?
Also, I turn off the heater at night if temperatures aren't too cold, right?
If anybody has any cheap supplies from eBay/online can you provide links? I don't have the materials to build my own tank so I'm hoping to find one on eBay somewhere too.
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Re: Thermostat, dimmer and heat/uvb... help!

Postby kingofnobbys » Sat Apr 07, 2018 2:26 am

mercury vapour globe


I've given my skinks and dragons tap water for years .... no problem , and the chlorine evaporates when the water is warm, don't waste your money on the water conditioner , it's not necessary , tap water is fine to drink here .

call the local Bunnings' trade desk and ask for the timber to be cut to size and give them the size or your pieces .... only costs $2 per cut and you can collect or have delivered . All the stuff you need can be found at Bunnings or Mitre10 including door glide / tracks , fittings , Ebay will find ceramic e27 fittings , and Google will find more .
A sketch on paper will help.

My advise : buy quality and the best you can afford , buying cheap stuff is a false economy as you'll find the quality extremely poor and will have replace more often only to save a few dollars , and you'll have your pet lizard for perhaps over 10yrs , so do it a favour , best lights , best fittings, best viv you can afford or build or have built, best quality food and best suppliments if you want it to be healthy and happy and to have a long life.

UV lighting : only brands I'd recommend are Exo Terra , Zoo Med (but NOT the Zoo Med t5HO tubes at the moment as there are issues with these not performing or lasting long) , and of cause the best of the best is Arcadia Reptile brand.
Avoid Natural Selections , Reptile One and other Chinese made knockoffs (very bad quality).

Rearing tubs :
26W UVB200 in NanoHood
40W old style light globe for heat

Big vivs
80W par38 for light and heat
Arcadia t5ho 6%UVB in Slimline hoods for easters and 12%UVB in Slimline hoods for beardies.

Eastern BTs I aim for 35 degC for basking spot , and cool zone at 25 - 30 degC.

There are caresheets on line , even here , they are a good guide.
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Re: Thermostat, dimmer and heat/uvb... help!

Postby SuperNinjaDragon » Sat Apr 07, 2018 5:08 pm

kingofnobbys wrote:mercury vapour globe


I've given my skinks and dragons tap water for years .... no problem , and the chlorine evaporates when the water is warm, don't waste your money on the water conditioner , it's not necessary , tap water is fine to drink here .

call the local Bunnings' trade desk and ask for the timber to be cut to size and give them the size or your pieces .... only costs $2 per cut and you can collect or have delivered . All the stuff you need can be found at Bunnings or Mitre10 including door glide / tracks , fittings , Ebay will find ceramic e27 fittings , and Google will find more .
A sketch on paper will help.

My advise : buy quality and the best you can afford , buying cheap stuff is a false economy as you'll find the quality extremely poor and will have replace more often only to save a few dollars , and you'll have your pet lizard for perhaps over 10yrs , so do it a favour , best lights , best fittings, best viv you can afford or build or have built, best quality food and best suppliments if you want it to be healthy and happy and to have a long life.

UV lighting : only brands I'd recommend are Exo Terra , Zoo Med (but NOT the Zoo Med t5HO tubes at the moment as there are issues with these not performing or lasting long) , and of cause the best of the best is Arcadia Reptile brand.
Avoid Natural Selections , Reptile One and other Chinese made knockoffs (very bad quality).

Rearing tubs :
26W UVB200 in NanoHood
40W old style light globe for heat

Big vivs
80W par38 for light and heat
Arcadia t5ho 6%UVB in Slimline hoods for easters and 12%UVB in Slimline hoods for beardies.

Eastern BTs I aim for 35 degC for basking spot , and cool zone at 25 - 30 degC.

There are caresheets on line , even here , they are a good guide.


Are MVBs for heat or light?
Thank you for all the light recommendations ;) I'm not very good at woodwork, but if there are instructions I think I can follow.
I found a virarium on eBay that I might buy if I can't make anything: https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/REPTILE-WOO ... 2478423200 Would this be okay?
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Re: Thermostat, dimmer and heat/uvb... help!

Postby kingofnobbys » Sat Apr 07, 2018 9:33 pm

MVBs are an all in one globe = heat, light , UVA & UVB .

They can work well in a small viv or a rearing tub or as a free ranging lizards goto warmup basking station when on the floor , BUT , they produce a focused beam of UV and are very it can be very difficult to fine tune the UV and the heat simultaneously from ONE source and they can be used on a thermostat (dimming or otherwise).


Careful about "in viv" humidity levels and splashed about water .... MDF and water results in timber crumble when the water / moisture penetrates under the laminate . causes it to swell and fall apart.
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Re: Thermostat, dimmer and heat/uvb... help!

Postby Y33T » Sat Apr 07, 2018 10:25 pm

Use aquarium silicone on the edges so any water doesn’t seep into the edges of the viv. Let it cure for at least 24 hours before putting anything else in.

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